A shocking revelation about something!!!

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3 of the most highly ranked dating books out there, Dating to Relating, Double your Dating, and Mystery Method/The Game (The two should go together) have been critiqued by some guy: [url]http://www.datingguruscompared.info/?xtr=afffid2323gmmr&gclid=CPX05fjErp0CFRgbawodcG8V iQ[/url]

Here's what it basically is. Mystery Method and The Game (in the eyes of this certain critic), are extremely effective for people who are looking to hook up with "party girls who are itching for sex". Mr L. Rx, the man who wrote Dating to Relating have stated that the legendary Neil Strauss, one of the greatest PU artists ever, have stated that "The Game is changing". According to Mr. Rx, many men get taught certain lines, memorize it, use it on clubs, and use it so much that most girls get familiar with them. They get so familiar that even the most effective negs end up giving you a slap in the face rather than getting laid. (Which is why "The Game is changing". We have to make up new stuff) He said that this method only works for about 10% of the girls in the world. After reading some parts of Neil Strauss's book The game: penetrating the secret society of pickup artists, I have heard of some legendary feats made by "Dustin", "Mystery", etc. Their seduction feats are fucking LEGENDARY! So legendary, that if they were actually doable, you'd be a sex monster. I really believed in Neil Strauss. Right now, I do not know who to believe. Mr. Rx criticized how the Mystery method only works for "shallow" girls, but we all know who Mystery is. He have dated NOT just shallow "I'm hot, I dare you to fuck me" type of women, but women of all kinds as well. (Including a japanese actress.) I'm not sure if all of the women he have dated were shallow, but still, he's the greatest PU artist.

The thing that I have absolutely loved about Mr. Rx's book is that it shows you a simplified version of the entire, ultracomplicated M3 model. Here is his strategy.

1. Find a "horny party girl".

2. If she's in a group, get close to her, but pay attention to some other chick. Whisper to her and say "Damn, that chick over there is hot isn't she?" (Very effective neg in my humble [and unimportant] opinion)

3. By this time, she should be flirting with you, TEASING you. (It's I.O.I. in the Neil Straussan language)

4. IGNORE HER! Don't suck up! (As long as you are not a major asshole and you still treat her as a human being then you should be fine)

5. (This is where the two gurus get different) Mystery would make you do all that comfort phase whatnots, (you're also instructed to drop the negs at this point and just "shoot the shit"). Mr. Rx will tell you to keep negging her even when you're already fucking her. According to him, the moment you suck up, you're fucked. She'd leave you.

6. REPEAT THE PROCESS WITH ANOTHER BIMBO!

Another great thing about Rx is that he even teaches you how to MAINTAIN A RELATIONSHIP!! I really wanted that one because I do love this girl, and I want to, atleast be with her for a year (more or less). Who knows when I get tired of her and dump her?....




Guys, please share your thoughts. I'd love to hear your expert opinions about this. What do you think? Should I buy Neil Strauss's book? Or just settle with Dating to Relating A to Z (by Mr. L Rx.?

Thanks,
Brian.

[gremlin]

I'd buy the book, or at least read it. While the mystery method is a guide book, The Game is a documentary about PUA society. It's well worth a read. Look, this stuff works on all women. The reason why it works is because it resonates with what women actually respond to. What women think they want, say they want, and actually do want all seem to be different things. The ideal place to use the mystery method is in a club, on a hot (8-10) chick who is in a group of her friends that may include other guys. It's kind of a magic trick, using a distraction or diversion to fly under the radar. But theres a lot more to it. Being an alpha male, body language, storytelling, DHVing, etc. apply in all situations where you are attempting to establish a romantic relationship. AFC's that read it and think it's baloney have no idea what they are talking about. It's amazing how counter intuitive a lot of this is (negs for example) that unless you try it and see the results, yer not gonna get it. No it's not about managing relationships. You have to get the relationship in the first place in order to manage it and thats what this allows you to do.


After reading the review I would say this: Knowledge is power. I would encourage any would be PUA to assimilate as much info as he can. Ideally you should not rely on canned matterial, but have confidence and know-how to respond correctly in the infinite situations you may be presented with.
dont rely on one book to give you all the secrets to getting girls. but when it comes to managing a relationship, primarily just be yourself. why be with a girl that you have to put on a show for? If she's gonna bitch about you playing x-box to the point it becomes a real issue, what do you do? Change yourself for her? I wouldn't. this is about male empowerment in the dating game. once you have your pick of women you no longer have to settle.

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Originally Posted by gremlin

I'd buy the book, or at least read it. While the mystery method is a guide book, The Game is a documentary about PUA society. It's well worth a read. Look, this stuff works on all women. The reason why it works is because it resonates with what women actually respond to. What women think they want, say they want, and actually do want all seem to be different things. The ideal place to use the mystery method is in a club, on a hot (8-10) chick who is in a group of her friends that may include other guys. It's kind of a magic trick, using a distraction or diversion to fly under the radar. But theres a lot more to it. Being an alpha male, body language, storytelling, DHVing, etc. apply in all situations where you are attempting to establish a romantic relationship. AFC's that read it and think it's baloney have no idea what they are talking about. It's amazing how counter intuitive a lot of this is (negs for example) that unless you try it and see the results, yer not gonna get it. No it's not about managing relationships. You have to get the relationship in the first place in order to manage it and thats what this allows you to do.


After reading the review I would say this: Knowledge is power. I would encourage any would be PUA to assimilate as much info as he can. Ideally you should not rely on canned matterial, but have confidence and know-how to respond correctly in the infinite situations you may be presented with.
dont rely on one book to give you all the secrets to getting girls. but when it comes to managing a relationship, primarily just be yourself. why be with a girl that you have to put on a show for? If she's gonna bitch about you playing x-box to the point it becomes a real issue, what do you do? Change yourself for her? I wouldn't. this is about male empowerment in the dating game. once you have your pick of women you no longer have to settle.

I love your idea about being yourself.

Tell me, what do you think I should do in my situation? I can't go to clubs, only school, and there's this girl... I've already "played the game" differently. NO NEGS!! All I've done are normal social interactions... Is there still hope?

[gremlin]

I don't know, If you've ever heard of ladder theory (I'd look it up if you haven't) She may just see you as a friend and that severely limits your options. Unfortunately I was an AFC in high school. You have no idea how much I wish I could go back and re do it. But social proof can be a huge sticking point in high school. By studying PU you have a huge advantage, but you must implement it and become the "cool guy". Don't limit your interactions to just girls, make friends on the football team, with the skater kids, etc. Be a leader and use social circle game. I got laid just because I played football, but not very often and I had a "serious" girlfriend almost my entire senior year. I missed out on a lot. Dude, You say you cant go to clubs that school is all you've got. High school parties are about the best place to score for a young guy as I can think of. Kids hang out pretty much anywhere that wont run them off. Take your girl to a sweet party and things may go your way real quick. If you make a lot of friends you'll be privy to inside info about where the parties are. Make friends in other schools. The sky is literally the limit for a high school PUA. May the Schwartz be with you.

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Originally Posted by gremlin

I don't know, If you've ever heard of ladder theory (I'd look it up if you haven't) She may just see you as a friend and that severely limits your options. Unfortunately I was an AFC in high school. You have no idea how much I wish I could go back and re do it. But social proof can be a huge sticking point in high school. By studying PU you have a huge advantage, but you must implement it and become the "cool guy". Don't limit your interactions to just girls, make friends on the football team, with the skater kids, etc. Be a leader and use social circle game. I got laid just because I played football, but not very often and I had a "serious" girlfriend almost my entire senior year. I missed out on a lot. Dude, You say you cant go to clubs that school is all you've got. High school parties are about the best place to score for a young guy as I can think of. Kids hang out pretty much anywhere that wont run them off. Take your girl to a sweet party and things may go your way real quick. If you make a lot of friends you'll be privy to inside info about where the parties are. Make friends in other schools. The sky is literally the limit for a high school PUA. May the Schwartz be with you.

Thanks alot for the advices.

[Tornado]

I am a very religeous person, I don't even kiss close (and I am a PUA! please stop telling me thats a sticking point, because its not)

Before becoming a PUA I was an AFC and I was surrounded by many conservative and religeous girls.

Here is what I think of the different "methods" according to my experience

1.David De Angelo's method:
Will get you only the open minded girls. Shy, conservative and self conscious girls will be offended/feel threatened and will respond negatively

2.Mystery Method (Mystery and Style)
The M3 model is very good with almost any girl.
The attraction then comfort then seduction worked on all girls, but you have to choose your routines at every stage carefully. I really recommend the mystery method for most of the cultures (I interact with Asians, middle easterns and eurpoeans)

3. Juggler method
This method will BOOST your performance like crazy! It SLASHED the time you need using the mystery method and you will be in C3 in no time (If I am a kiss closer I can use it to kiss close faster than any mystery method PUA)
The best parts are: You are the prize and the SOI routine (Statement of interest).
Warning: If you misuse an SOI it will back fire in a very nasty way